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All of the numbers from the Census Bureau are politicized - none of them can be trusted.

If The Blob thinks it advantageous to underestimate the illegal population, then it will underestimate the illegal population [and, in an alternate reality, where Vulcans are green & evil, and behave like renegade Romulans, The Blob will overestimate the illegal population].

By contrast, one of the more interesting attempts to quantify the illegal presence is to count the number of duplicate FICA payments to the SSA [I believe that among the popular commentators, Neil Boortz is the one who has really been hammering home the importance of this approach].

The numbers I've heard are something like 9M duplicate payments on identical social security numbers, which would indicate AT LEAST 9M illegals in the "legitimate" economy.

I googled a little, and found this Judicial Watch article, which quotes 10M TIN's issued, and almost 8M known bad W2's:

http://www.corruptionchronicles.com/2007/04/irs_caters_to_illegal_immigran.html

Then the interesting question becomes: What percentage of illegals work in the legitimate economy, and what percentage work in the underground, cash-only economy [which makes no payments to the SSA - recall the failed Zoe Baird nomination].

Finally you ask yourself: Okay, what percentage of "illegals" are minor children? [And we'll throw their anchor babies into the pot, the legality of illegal anchor baby-ism still being largely undetermined at this point]. And that, in turn, begs the question: What percentage of adult illegals "work" in the first place? Surely some of them must stay at home to watch the kids - they can't all be in state-subsidized day care, can they?

Anyway, depending upon your assumptions, you could come up with all sorts of figures.

For instance:

1) Assume 9M adult illegals in the "legitimate" economy.

2) Assume 50% of adult illegals work the legitimate economy, and the other 50% either work the underground/cash-only economy, or else stay at home with the kids.

3) Assume a 1-1 ratio between adult illegals and their minor children.

Then that gets you to

(2 X [9M + 9M]) = 36M

which probably isn't that far off the actual number.

'...making it seem as if fewer illegals entered during the Bush years'

Almost certainly true since after 9/11 it has been much harder for anyone to enter illegally.


EDIT: "10M TIN's" should read "almost 11M TIN's".

Patrick R. Sullivan: Almost certainly true since after 9/11 it has been much harder for anyone to enter illegally.

You're being sarcastic, right?

The number of Hispanics found in the 2000 Census was about 10% higher than the Census Bureau was saying the Hispanic population was, so

- The Census did a better job of finding illegal aliens in 2000 than in 1990.

- We still have no idea how good a job it did.

Are there ways of calculating US immigration levels using Mexican and South American data sources? For instance, what if people living in the shadows here were not living in the shadows there? Then it might be possible to construct estimates here if we knew more about differences over time there. Or something like that. Just wondering.

jason voorhees: Are there ways of calculating US immigration levels using Mexican and South American data sources? For instance, what if people living in the shadows here were not living in the shadows there? Then it might be possible to construct estimates here if we knew more about differences over time there. Or something like that. Just wondering.

Well, you could try to figure out what the Central American populations "should" have been relative to what they appear to be [although I imagine that Latin American census numbers are even more highly politicized and more worthless than American census numbers, if that's possible].

Anyway, along those lines, there's been a flurry of articles with the following theme:

For Mexico, emigration to U.S. surpasses deaths.
http://www.google.com/search?safe=off&q=For+Mexico+emigration+to+US+surpasses+deaths

See also e.g.

Emigration depresses Mexico's countryside
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1603535/posts



There's some new chatter today about the question of known fraudulent data at the Social Security Administration & the IRS.

See e.g.

Congress Should Get the Social Security Administration to Name Names
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzVkNGYyYjZmOGE2ZDlhNGM3YjViOTViMjQwZTJkODg=

and the older article

Demand-Side Immigration Reform
By Terence Jeffrey
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=demand-side_immigration_reform&ns=TerenceJeffrey&dt=05/23/2007&page=full&comments=true

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